That's it, camera's rolling
You're filming already ?
Good.
It's very close.
Sorry ?
The screen, it's really close.
Right.
We're ready to go ?
Uh huh.
Who goes first ?
I don't know, it depends on what sort of questions they wanna ask but maybe
you should just start.
Don't you have a topic ?
Well I had a topic to start with
Yes ?
I had a very clear idea of what
I wanted for this film,
I guess it was too laid-out.
Don't you have any idea why
I wanted to make a film about you ?
Not necessarily
Maybe, any theories ?
Well I don't know,
you have the advantage of knowing me
That enabled me to
make a film about you ?
Uh huh
Well it's right that I have...
See, the eventual possibility
of being supposedly related.
We are supposedly related.
Yes, that's right, we are related.
The shelter
So, I was coming from there
Yes
First of all, you get to this place,
you settle there and then you leave.
Yes.
I think I went to
the supermarket
to get some groceries...
Then I guess I went back
to the creek and sat down at the left bank, maybe in the woods, too.
I double-tracked quite a bit.
Mom recalls you leaving with a large backpack.
And ?
That's it.
There might have been two bags.
Two bags, right.
You left without a word.
You weren't home, were you ?
No,
no, there was only...
Who was home at that time ?
What ?
You lived with mom and Alain ?
Yes,
but nobody was in.
I think you guys had all left
to spend a couple of days in Switzerland
for Julien and Cecile's wedding.
Right.
I think I spent the first night in the building and then...
What do you mean ?
I think I spent the first night in the building and I cleared off in the morning.
I don't know why, because nobody was in.
So ?
When no one's around, you just run away.
What was your plan in clearing off like that ?
Did you have a plan ?
The idea was to find
some kind of shelter,
live under a roof.
Yes.
Protected from bad weather.
And...
But you were safe from the weather at home,
you could have just stayed home ?
As long as the construction is still there, it's possible.
Yes.
Shall we go have a look ?
A look at what ?
The shelter where you spent your first night.
Actually, the first night I recall sleeping against that trunk over there,
there might be a path leading to the road.
Maybe we could just take some pictures from the other side, the access is easier.
Ok.
So, there was a trailer and a birdcage, right ?
Right,
so I told myself that species of birds might...
Well, animals living in a cage,
it's a rather unnatural state.
Yes.
So someone could've freed them.
So what happened ?
Well I had slightly opened the fence,
not so much that you still can fix it,
maybe it's already fixed...
A little later there was a police control
to check what I was doing in here...
So I told them I was going back home,
over there.
Yes.
But I went the other way to another location,
in order to go and build another, like,
shelter or wooden shed.
And...
After that there was the second intervention
and they offered me so-called asylum.
Yes.
But it might have been on my request, I don't know,
or maybe it's a standard procedure.
That was a couple days after you left.
Yes.
Police had put out a « wanted » bulletin.
A « missing person » notice.
A « missing person » notice yes...
We were pretty worried actually, we didn't know where you were.
That's possible.
I didn't leave any note.
I don't know.
These places, the hospitals, are deadly boring.
There's a smoker's room, you get three meals a day...
It's...
packed with people,
not very pleasant.
Let's talk about medication, the pills you took to get back on your feet,
what about the effect they had on you ?
What ?
Well it's just food supplements, that kind of stuff, I don't know,
I don't even know what it is.
Personally, I wouldn't say neuroleptics are food complements.
But what do I know.
How's that ?
See, when you're in the psych unit, you don't give a shit about what's happening.
Once you're on neuroleptics,
they put a finger in your ass and you do as you're told.
So that's how it goes ?
Well not necessarily, you still have some faculties,
but you could be led into thinking it was your choice.
Mental health is nothing like...
it's a concept :
you're trapped in the calendar
and you follow the sequences
of a a daily routine.
After that, all is in your head, it's all a question
of what you see and how you remember it...
On the other hand you have physiognomy, your physical abilities,
disadvantages, possible troubles...
Being in good health is supposed to be an asset, compared to...
being of sound mind...
All things considered, there are many possible causes of harassment.
You can be perpetually harassed for some reason, whoever you may be.
You mean mentally harassed ?
Well, I don't know.
I think that's why they give you pills.
What ?
That's why people who suffer psychiatric troubles
are supposed to take drugs, in order to relieve them from that harassment.
Maybe it's simply so that they feed themselves.
... I don't know, there is no path leading there...
So... I don't know...
Do you see a shelter ?
Maybe it wasn't real.
How do you mean ?
Well there wasn't any roof structure, you know, there was...
a small area, with a second part next to it.
It could be over there, near that leaning trunk.
It looks as if it's balanced to make room for a second, even a third room...
You may call it a hut, whatever...
Since there is an area with a pile of branches, it could be there.
This is where you built your shelter, in the wood ?
It's true that it isn't...
As a matter of fact, it's not lost deep in the woods,
but if you look at the place with a gregarious point of view,
there are many trees, so you could build...
Something like a cage...
A cage made of wood.
You know when you take a trip,
with all your belongings from the place you left...
At some point you settle,
but then afterwards you leave again,
you find a building,
it is more sanitary than a forest.
The project didn't work.
What was the project ?
I don't know,
to be somewhere else,
living like nomads ; you're in one place, then you're somewhere else...
Oh yes ?
But then maybe it's easier to buy a house,
you have all the immediate benefits.
When you buy a house, you mean ?
Well you got a bathroom, a kitchen, shelter...
you have all you need, I mean the possible advantages of a living space.
It's not exactly the same.
It's like
studio studio studio...
Sometimes I ponder the fact that
I was living in a studio in Dinant.
See, there's the entrance,
leading to a small hallway, with a kitchen on the left hand side,
a bathroom on the right...
Then there's a room with a closet and a pull-out bed,
plus a small table.
The two were separated by a door.
I keep telling myself that... as we were living there...
I had removed the door to
facilitate movement and I wonder how...
What would have changed if I had left the door in place.
What would be the practical difference within that memory...
Since you have to open the door, close the door, open the door, close the door...
Or not necessarily, maybe it stays open all the time,
but it's bound to change things.
You said « we were there », who's that « we » ?
« We » ?
Yes you said « we ».
Oh that is the potential euh... the delusion of grandeur...
You know when you speak about yourself like,
considering yourself as being someone, a person,
« me, I »,
but I don't say « I »,
I use the plural « we ».
Imagine yourself as being gregarious, a social animal, one as many,
one as a group, you use the plural, « we do this », « we do that »,
then after a point you say « we » as only referring to yourself.
« You » as plural,
one unique person being a plural.
After that, you can go on and you get to the « us »,
the « he », « me », I am many people, but that's not true,
I is, I am, I exist, I consider myself, I talk,
I see the...
The majesty, you know, this male person who, who...
Well I don't know...
It's a way to approach it...
Usually the pronoun « we » refers to more than one person...
« We », « me » and somebody else...